ball joints (4WD)

[zeratool]

I got a reply from the guy selling van ball joints on ebay now--he said that the brand is Sankei. Anyone heard of that brand? Price is right but not if you have to replace them 10K from now.
Thanks,
Rob

[timsrv]

Keep in mind that the 4wd and 2wd vans use different ball joints. 4wd upper ball joints are non-replaceable (you must replace the entire upper control arm). There has been some speculation that perhaps with some machine work a ball joint from something else could be made to work here, but IMO there's just not enough material in this area for that to be safe or practical (at least for keeping things a stock height). If you're planning on lifting, then you can add material to the bottom and modify like was done HERE (http://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?709-4runner-upper-ball-joint-conversion), but it's a big job.

FWIW, I replaced the ball joints on my 2wd van: http://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?123-How-to-replace-your-ball-joints-in-about-2-hours-(2wd). They didn't show any excessive play but I felt like it was something I should do because that van is always overloaded. It had about 135k miles on it at the time. I used Beck Arnley parts that I purchased from www.rockauto.com (http://www.rockauto.com). Recently I checked them again (at about 150k miles) and found the RF upper joint to be completely wasted (had about 3/8" vertical play). Now I'm thinking I should have left the originals there. I still have them and may put them back if I have any more failures here. I'm monitoring the situation before I make up my mind as it could have been a fluke. Moral of this story is to leave the original equipment alone unless it's actually bad :doh:.

If you decide to proceed, make sure your old ones have actually failed and verify you're ordering 4wd parts. Genuine Toyota 4wd upper control arms (if still available) will likely run you around $250-$300 each. Tim

[zeratool]

I agree with not touching these parts unless needed. Unfortunately I am getting the telltale symptoms of ball joint play--In 4wd I get one clunk when I turn the wheel and acellerate--doesnt matter what speed, I will still get a clunk. Seems like a binding/releasing is happening--Not the same as CV joint symptoms. In the snow a couple of days ago I went to a large area that I could diagnose (slide, jam the brakes, play) and I could get the same clunk when braking hard (locking the brakes). I will be going to LA next week where I have a good friend with a shop. I can get the van off the ground and start playing with the suspension to find the problem...in 80 degree weather. :) I am planning to do my plugged heater core then too (he has all the ac equipment). The ebay guy is selling the lowers with the correct #s for 4WD when compared to Toyota parts zone site. I will probably bite the bullet and get Toy parts unless I they are NA.

[pete]

I did the beck Arnley replacement(bought them when they had that special price. I think it was just on the uppers or lowers for the price break but i bought both) on only one side upper and lower on my 86 2wd about 1,500 miles ago. Van has 183,000 and genuine were on there and probably original. When i took a pry bar to them they moved a little, so i decided to replace one side only. I will be watching and comparing the two sides. I might even put some better condition used genuine on the side I have not replaced just so i don't have any movement.

[Harbilly]

At 220,000 miles my lower right has worn out. Local shop tried a stream of replacements from the parts guys (all wrong) so we are now waiting for a part from 1st Toyota (Titus-Will) If that doesn't work anyone want to suggest another supplier?

[timsrv]

I looked this up on the EPC and found it calls out Toyota #43330-29166 for the lower right. I entered this part number on Titus Will's website (www.1sttoyotaparts.com) and it came up as available for around $60.

I also found aftermarket ball joints on www.rockauto.com listed for 4wd vans. The right lowers are RAYBESTOS Part # 5051184 or ACDELCO Part # 45D2184. Both are in the $100 range. Lower lefts are also available for about the same price. IMO the Toyota part will most likely be of higher quality and you get a lower price to boot! Hope this helps. Good luck. Tim

[Harbilly]

Thanks Tim. Titus-Will says the part is indeed for my 89 4wd. They took my credit card info and are going to email with shipping costs to Canada. If they are right I will be happy. If the part isn't right I guess I eat it and check with your suggested supplier to see if they ship to Canada. As an aside, the two oxy sensors from the supplier you sent me to arrived mid July and were perfect and a great price! 5000km since then and no check engine light. Some hesitation when cold (TPS/fouled plugs I bet) but that's another story. Thanks again!And.......How are the finances for this website? Is it about time for us loyal users to send along some $$$ thru paypal??Cheers,Bill

[rowemjr]

First time posting here. I recently purchased a 89 4wd when going over bumps the front end has a sort of knocking sound. I was thinking it may be the ball joints. After reading it seems these are around $300 and probably not available anyway so i searched what i believe to be the part number 48067-28050 and sure enough it pulls up a part on Amazon for around $50. Can anyone confirm the fitment or that this is correct part number?
Thanks

[timsrv]

Hi & welcome to TVT! That's very interesting that these are available on Amazon for so cheap (Toyota discount sites are selling for around $350 now). I checked the EPC and verified this is the correct part number (for left side upper). Although the ones on Amazon are using a Toyota part number, I can't help but think these must be Chinese reproductions. None the less, I couldn't resist the price and I purchased a set of them. FYI, the 4wd van uses 4 unique ball joints. 2 on the left (upper and lower) and 2 on the right (these are mirror image & non interchangeable from side to side). The lowers are just simple ball joints, but the uppers are integral with the upper control arm (if a ball joint fails you need to replace the entire upper control arm). Until you posted about the Amazon ones, I wasn't aware these were available from anywhere except Toyota (thank you). Here are the part numbers for 87 - 89 4wd Toyota Van ball joints:

Upper left control arm w/ball joint #48067-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48067-28050-4806728050-Upper-Front-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFFU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837218&sr=8-1&keywords=48067-28050)

Upper right control arm w/ball joint #48066-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48066-28050-4806628050-Right-Upper-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFGQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837751&sr=8-2&keywords=4806628050)

Lower left ball joint #43340-29116 (https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~joint-assy-lwr-ball~43340-29116.html)

Lower right ball joint #43330-29166 (https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~joint-assy-lwr-ball~43330-29166.html)

Regarding the noise in your front end, don't just assume it's the ball joints. You'll want to get under there and check to verify before replacing.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/suspension/4wdvanballjointinspection_zpsc1f51493.jpg

The easy way is to take your van in for a front end alignment. If the tech knows what he's doing he'll check these before trying to align. By law they are required to check and are not allowed to align if these parts are worn beyond spec. If that's the case, they'll tell you about it. These ball joints are pretty tough, so I suspect your factory ones are still good. When the front suspension makes noise, it's usually due to dry upper control arm bushings. On the 4wd there are plugs you can pull out & install grease zerks. It's not a bad idea to get up in there from time to time with a grease gun. Tim
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/suspension/4wdupperaarmgreasepoint_zps74150032.jpg

[rowemjr]

Awesome info tim! Thanks so much! The price is great and I felt like I'd stumbled on to something to good to be true. I'll definitely look into the other possible causes that you mention.

[djshimon]

It may be too good to be true-On Amazon that link Tim posted says they are currently unavailable. I look forward to hearing about them from you, if/when you get them. I know at some point I will need to do this repair.

[timsrv]

When I went there it said there were 3 available for each side. I was tempted to buy them all (actually had them all in my cart :lol:), but then reconsidered thinking it would be rude (in case rowemjr hadn't purchased yet and/or if anybody else here wanted to buy). I only ordered one set & have gotten shipping confirmation from Amazon (saying they'll be here next week). I'm guessing rowemjr and one other person purchased after me, so that would account for them all disappearing. On the Amazon listing I see the seller is Febest. We've talked about them on the forum before. They started flooding the market with automotive bushings a few years ago. I had previously checked their product reviews and found people were saying good things about them (things like "better than OEM"). I'm pretty sure I'll get what is pictured on the listing, but what confuses me is where these are coming from. Since Febest specializes in bushings, did they expand to more things or did they team-up with another aftermarket manufacturer & build from scratch? They are advertising with OEM part numbers, but I seriously doubt they're OEM (Toyota wants $350 each for these). If they are building these from scratch, then it's likely they'll restock soon. I'd recommend checking back in a few weeks. Tim

PS: I'll post some pics and my opinion of "perceived" quality when they arrive.

[JDM VANMAN]

Man mine just started to make noise too, I'm was gonna order them right when Tim posted but got sidetracked. Tim I'm looking forward to read your review and pics of these ball joints.

Thank you

[timsrv]

It was as I expected, they are Chinese reproductions. But could they be as good as Toyota? I guess it will take about a 20 year road test to know for sure. Potential problems could be quality and/or hardness of steel and/or dimensional accuracy. As for appearance they do look very nice. Here's some pics:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/4wd%20specific/IMG_3604_zps283fdfa8.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/4wd%20specific/IMG_3605_zpsd3bc1152.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/4wd%20specific/IMG_3607_zps1934c6eb.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/4wd%20specific/IMG_3608_zpsfa03522d.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/4wd%20specific/IMG_3609_zpsf5ddeec0.jpg

[timsrv]

In case anybody else wants, I did a Google search using the part numbers on my packaging and found several of these available on other sites. It's funny how much variation in price there is. One guy on eBay is trying to sell for $500 each, yet another guy for $92 each. Range of price on the internet is about the same, I'm sure there are more places that have them for the Amazon price, but I quit looking after I found them on these two sites (first place is Febest's own site):

http://febestparts.com/RIGHT_UPPER_FRONT_ARM/0124-CM60RH

http://febestparts.com/LEFT_UPPER_FRONT_ARM/0124-CM60LH

http://www.cqout.com/item/RIGHT-UPPER-FRONT-ARM---Febest---0124-CM60RH---1-Year-Warranty/19718019

http://www.cqout.com/item/LEFT-UPPER-FRONT-ARM---Febest---0124-CM60LH---1-Year-Warranty/19717570

[JDM VANMAN]

Nice Tim, I was reading somewhere online that the parts were manufactured in parts of Russia and Germany and then shipped to China for final assembly?? I don't know maybe I misread and understood it cause it was late at night when I was reading.

But I know Febest parts got a "C" rating out of A-E ratings. So looks like their parts are hit and miss.

I was was lookimg on Alibaba.com and they have just about all the scarce parts we can't get a hold of but then you have to pay international shipping fees and brokerage fees too. And after all that it could still be made in China. A lot of parts are still readily available overseas cause the YR2* and YR3* chassis are used in the 90's version of the van.

[ratatouille]

Do make sure you double check exactly what's making the noise. The noise I had coming from my van were worn out bushings. What I was hearing was the drive arm shaft bouncing around in the bushing every time I hit any bumps in the road. Here's a link that might help, in the thread Tim posts a link to another thread also on the matter that could help...I may have some pictures I took while I did the work.
http://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?1713-Drive-Shaft-Arm-amp-Manual-Hub-clanking-noise&p=10448#post10448

[rowemjr]

Thanks for linking that thread rat. I hope to have time to diagnose this issue soon. I've already got replacement swaybar bushing. I'm starting there. I'll report back my findings.

[timsrv]

Looks like Amazon has these in stock again (but only 1 of each). Looks like they reduced the price by about $6 each (how often does that happen?). Tim

[JDM VANMAN]

Tim,

that is too funny you noticed there's only one of each left, I just purchased a set last night to have on hand.

:silvervan::redvan: Looks like we had a TVM= Toyota Van Moment last night:silvervan::redvan:

HAHAHAHA

[rowemjr]

I finally got around to replacing the sway bar bushings, and the cushions on the link bolts and after a test drive that's definitely what was making all the knocking noise. Years of grime and corrosion made these bolts a real pain and caused me to snap one of the bolts off in the lower control arm and one of the sway bar links. I spent a lot of time drilling out the broken off piece and I was going to replace the link bolt but when i called my local dealer, they quoted me over 90 bucks for the thing, and said there was only 1 left in the country out in CA. So i welded it back together hopefully it holds. I replaced all the hardware with new stainless pieces. There is still a very subtle knock but much much quieter now, plus it handles noticeably better and just has a more solid feel when driving. thanks for the help glad I didn't jump straight to the ball joint.

[JDM VANMAN]

Just got an email today saying they were all out of the left side ball joints so I called them and question why is it still showing available on Amazon and on eBay? They said it was a mistake and they currently are all out of stock and to call back on Friday to see if the shipment comes in. I told them not a problem .

well then 1 hour later I got a email saying the package has been shipped and both items were being sent. I also got another email from the shipper and a copy of the invoice stating the parts were shipped and both ball joints were coming.

I guess I'll find out next week, I'll keep you posted.

[timsrv]

Now it says they have 2 lefts and 1 right in stock :dizzy:.

[JDM VANMAN]

I received only the right side arm, they said the left side was out of stock. I called and emailed the rep and he told me to check back on Friday, so I did and they told me it hadn't come in. Today I looked online and it said they had 3 available so I went ahead and ordered it and
paid extra for expedited shipping which means it'll be coming from the international warehouse.

Tim looks like you got the last pair of them:clap:

[JDM VANMAN]

Tim have you tried out those new upper arms? I'm still on the waiting list for the left, I don't think they'll be sending anymore to North America any time soon.

[timsrv]

No, I don't have an immediate use for them. I've been building a mini parts warehouse here that I add to whenever I see good deals. When I do a major project it helps to be well stocked :thmbup:. Tim

[CleverUserName]

I got the last ones at CQout. Not to sure if I will get them though, that site seems kind of dodgy. Hopefully they arrive as described.

[JDM VANMAN]

Really?? What a coincidence I just emailed Finest Auto on Sunday about this part and they replied that they didn't have it. If you get the left upper arm please let us know.

Thank you:thmbup:

[timsrv]

I got the last ones at CQout. Not to sure if I will get them though, that site seems kind of dodgy. Hopefully they arrive as described.

Did you ever get these?

[CleverUserName]

Did you ever get these?

Nothing. It's been about a month. I'm guessing it's a "buy now wait till we get some in" scenario.

I think I will contact them and ask what is going on. Thanks for the reminder.

[CleverUserName]

Did you ever get these?

DO NOT do business with Finest auto parts in FL http://www.finestautoparts.com/

THEY SUCK. Communication was non-existent. I had to send 2 emails and called 3 times to get anywhere with these clowns. Waited a week and no credit issued after requested. Lots of lies and excuses from them. Had to do a chargeback on my CC for non receipt of goods.

CQout also banned me from their site because of the chargeback.

I hope amazon gets some more in. I

If anybody wants to sell a set of control arms send me a message.

[timsrv]

Looks like Finest Auto Parts is trying to sell a right side on eBay for $50 (last one for sale in US?): http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIGHT-UPPER-FRONT-ARM-Febest-0124-CM60RH/251892582381?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D31482%26meid%3D412eab78f9614d02a8e19e0e5c8 821fc%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251 892582381, but no lefts are to be found anywhere............unless you count Europe and Australia. Febest's European website says they're in stock, but the price is ~$113 when converted to USD........and that doesn't include shipping (assuming they would ship). Tim

[CleverUserName]

Looks like Finest Auto Parts is trying to sell a right side on eBay for $50 (last one for sale in US?): http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIGHT-UPPER-FRONT-ARM-Febest-0124-CM60RH/251892582381?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D31482%26meid%3D412eab78f9614d02a8e19e0e5c8 821fc%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251 892582381, but no lefts are to be found anywhere............unless you count Europe and Australia. Febest's European website says they're in stock, but the price is ~$113 when converted to USD........and that doesn't include shipping (assuming they would ship). Tim

I was told by Finest Auto Parts these control arms are not available. Checked by part # and description. They list items which they don't have, then ignore all communications requesting shipping # or refund. Numerous lies and excuses. Poor communication. Terrible CS.

My guess is they make money of people who buy stuff and forget about it. After 90 days no chargeback is possible, so if you forget about a purchase and then remember after 3 months your SOL. Don't have any other guesses why this place would operate this way. Read the negative feedback on EBAY. My experience is similiar.

Don't waste your time with them.

[timsrv]

Looks like Febest Europe has taken over these Amazon listings (see the links on post #2 this thread). Price is up to $107, but they ship for free. Tim

[fuquan]

I tried to order these and Amazon said they were unable to ship them to my location. Perhaps this is because I am in the USA and Febest is not??

Then, following febest.com links that Tim posted earlier, I found the right upper control arm for $50.88. Shipping in the USA is free. They are currently out of left upper control arms.

[timsrv]

That's weird. When I was on there yesterday both sides were $107 and both shipped from Europe Febest w/free shipping. They had (6) lefts and (8) rights in stock. Now I see the right says only (1) left and it's from Finest auto parts for only $50 (see earlier comment from cleverusername regarding them). I wonder why they would even list Europe Febest as having these available w/free shipping if they will not ship to US. It's not like we're viewing these on Europe's Amazon. Tim

[fuquan]

To clarify, I tried to order them on Amazon after seeing your last post, Tim. And, I wondered the same thing: "Why would these be viewable at amazon.COM when they won't ship to USA?". I sent an email to febest, via amazon, to inquire as to why they would not ship to USA. As of this moment I see 6 left-side ($107.95) and 1 right-side ($50.88) available from amazon and sold by febest.

In any case, $50.88 at febestparts.com (post #8 of this thread) is great! I hope they have nothing to do with "Finest Auto Parts". I shall report my febestparts.com customer experience here at TVT.

[timsrv]

The one for $50 states right on the listing (upper right) "Sold by Finest Auto Parts" (says that right above the "add to cart" button). Out of curiosity I just purchased it and see another one popped back up (only 1 available and still "Sold by Finest Auto Parts"). I guess it's kind of like those "going out of business" sales that never end. If it ever comes I'll report here. If not, I'll complain to Amazon and see about getting them into trouble. :rol: Tim

PS: If it comes, I'll try and get one from Febest Europe to see if they like me better than you.

[fuquan]

The one for $50 states right on the listing (upper right) "Sold by Finest Auto Parts"

My bad. I mixed up the seller and the manufacturer.

[timsrv]

Just got home and found this email waiting for me:

We're writing to inform you that your order from Finest Auto Parts has been canceled because the item you purchased is out of stock. Please return and place your order again at a later time. We're sorry for the inconvenience this has caused...................

I find this funny, because immediately after I placed the order (for the last one) another "last one" became available. So why cancel my order? How about you put "Item currently unavailable" in the listing so people don't waste their time. Idiots :dizzy:

[timsrv]

Lol, rather than complain, I decided to waste their time (for entertainment value). So I just purchased the other non-existent "last one" and now there's 8 available........except now from Febest Europe (like what was there last night when I checked). Of course I'm sure they won't ship to USA (where they advertise). If they keep cancelling my order I'll keep going back and purchasing..........at least until they disable the "add to cart" feature :wnk:. Tim

[djshimon]

This is entertaining.
Has anyone installed one of these Febest Upper control arms?

[fuquan]

And here is the message I got regarding my order for an upper right control arm from febestauto.com

>>>
Hello,

I'm very sorry to inform you that we are currently out of stock of the item 0124-CM60RH that you ordered from FebestParts.com order number 347.
We have just issued you a full refund and you should see the payment back in your bank account within the next 3 business days.
I hope that you can accept our sincere apology and that this is not an inconvenience for you.

Regards,

Name Removed
Finest Auto Parts
<<<

Interestingly, although I ordered direct from febestauto.com, this reply was signed "Finest Auto Parts". The email even came from an @febestparts.com address

I also received a reply from Febest via Amazon, answering my question about why they would not deliver to me. They referred me to the Finest Auto Parts advert on Amazon.

Guess we'll have to keep looking for these upper control arms.

[timsrv]

Nice apology, yet they still have 8 rights and 6 lefts available. Based on their listing information it's more like "We got em, but you can't have one". The one I ordered Monday morning was cancelled by Monday evening. The one I ordered Monday evening is still "processing". Evidently they still think they have that one. :dizzy: Tim

PS: That's interesting about Finest = Febest.

[timsrv]

So today they cancelled my order for the $50 arm sold by Finest (AKA Febest). I got the same message as I posted above. So I put a couple of the $107 A-Arms in my cart (right & left) and tried to check out............except I couldn't. I just got an error message saying these could not be shipped due to my location......excuse me??? MY location??? So it pissed me off that they advertise on America's Amazon, then they won't ship here due to our location. So I muddled my way through the "customer service" menus on Amazon until I was finally able to send them the following email:

You have items listed on your Amazon (USA) site. I can put these items in my cart, but when I try to check-out I get a message stating these cannot be shipped to my area. Since these items are advertised on Amazon's USA site & I am in the USA, why is it they cannot be shipped to me? The items in question are 48066-28050 / 4806628050 - Right Upper Front Arm For Toyota Asin #B00HCOFGQU & 48067-28050 / 4806728050 - Left Upper Front Arm For Toyota Asin #B00HCOFFU2. Both of these items are sold by Febest Europe Distribution OU.

Perhaps they will at least change the availability status in the listing. I'll report back with their response. Tim

[timsrv]

Amazon answered with a "form letter" type response. Basically a copy/paste from there FAQ section. Nothing in it specifically addressed what I was asking them (big surprise). So I sent the same email to Febest Europe. Looks like this is just a waste of time. I'd keep ordering this, but since the $50 part is gone, I cannot even complete the check-out process. Tim

[timsrv]

Febest Europe answered with this response:

Good day
We are sorry we can not sell it by amazon. In our shipping setting USA closed.
Becouse we have partner in USE and he have also shop on amazon.com
To day they have not in stock this 0124-CM60RH item.

I think you can buy it from this catalogues.
http:// febest . eu / RIGHT_UPPER_FRONT_ARM/0124-CM60RH
http:// febest24 . com / right-upper-front-arm-0124-cm60rh-en.html

http://febest24.com/right-upper-front-arm-0124-cm60rh-en.html
http://febest.eu/RIGHT_UPPER_FRONT_ARM/0124-CM60RH


Best Regards
isales A febest . eu
[e-mail address removed]

So evidently Finest Auto Parts is Febest's USA partner. I went back in my Amazon purchase history (December last year) and see the 1st set I got was sold and supplied by Finest Auto Parts (which is now currently out of stock). I went to the Europe site they listed (above), but due to exchange rates and shipping, even if they would ship, it would be almost as much as purchasing OEM control arms from Toyota. So for now I guess the only way to get them is to pay a high price or to wait until Finest gets them back in stock (if ever). Tim

[JDM VANMAN]

Well looks like I might have gotten the last left upper arm.... I've been scouring the web all over the world for the part. Last night I typed in the part number and it popped up as being available so I bought it!!!! :yes:

I just checked the tracking and it shows that it's been shipped out and should be here next week, hopefully it's gonna be the correct part.

I went back on eBay to search for the part and now it's not coming, even after typing it in the exact way it shows up on the order listing? Which makes me think they'll send the wrong part.

[timsrv]

Since my last post on the subject I've tried to purchase Amazon's last $50 left arm several times, but they always cancel my order saying it's out of stock (WTF). The listing then switches to Febest Europe for a while, the price goes up, but then Finest always comes back with one more left for ~$50 and I try it again (more or less just to waste their time for being jerks).

Getting the right side arms is also a joke as they won't ship to the USA (story on my previous posts in this thread).

I'd say it's just game and you won't see that last left arm, but if they gave you tracking information..........who knows??????? Let us know what happens. BTW, what are you going to do with a single left arm? Do you already have a right side? Tim

[JDM VANMAN]

Tim,

backing up to sometime earlier in this thread I think when they were first available on Amazon, I think there was only 4 of each side left, you had ordered yours and then I ordered mine maybe the next day or something like that, so anyways you had gotten both of yours and I only received the right arm but the invoice showed they packed and shipped both left and right side. I got reimburse for the missing part and same as you kept trying to get the part and was told they were NLA in the US.

I've been trying to order on Amazon and have gotten the same disposition that they won't ship to the US or Canada. So my next course of action is going to have it shipped to China where I have a contact that'll receive it and bring it to me when he comes to the US. Hehehehehe!!!:thmbup:

Oh that's if the correct part doesn't come in...:pissed:

[JDM VANMAN]

Shipping update-

shows 11LBS pkg left FEDEX facility in Pampano Beach, FL. on 3/2/16 and estimated delivery date is 3/9/16.

Keeping my figures crossed I'll post picks of what I get!!

[JDM VANMAN]

Came home this morning and found a package on the door step, looks like I got it!!!!:thmbup:

[timsrv]

Congrats! Looks like you finally captured that last (now extinct) illusive Febest L/H Upper control arm. That's probably the same one I bought half a dozen times only to have them cancel my order. I just checked the Amazon listing and see no more listed by Finest. There's a bunch listed by Febest Europe, but they won't ship those to US. It's pretty messed up they're able to list items on our US Amazon yet they refuse to ship here. Tim

[JDM VANMAN]

I know that's so silly they would list it in a market that they don't want to provide service in... So ruuuuude:(:

I got an email from Febest bout 2 days ago inquiring if I had gotten the part which was pretty interest, I just replied that it was here yet. And then in hide site I thought I should have asked if there was anymore available in the warehouse???

They must have been doing some new years cleaning and found it on the shelf cause I haven't been able to find the eBay listing again after I purchased it.

[JDM VANMAN]

Just an update but I didn't put it in my basket for purchase to see if they will ship to the US?

https://www.amazon.com/FEBEST-0124-CM60LH-Upper-Front-Control/dp/B00HAP8DVQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1466382616&sr=8-3&keywords=Toyota+Townace+4806728050

[timsrv]

Yeah, that's the same stupid listing I was talking about before. It will let you put the item in your cart, but if you try to check-out it says:

"Sorry, this item can't be shipped to your selected address. Learn more. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. You can also see if this item is available to ship to your address from another seller."

So if you're not going to sell/ship to me, then why list it? Perhaps I should change my address to Germany or something...........but then I would just purchase from the German Amazon. I complained about it to both Febest and Amazon (ranted about it earlier in this thread), but nobody "got it". It's like I'm just a trouble maker complaining about something that doesn't matter........oh wait, that does sound a bit like me :doh:. Whatever :dizzy:

[djshimon]

Found this one while wasting time on ebay. It's on partsgeek. It's 250. Did they buy the febest and mark the price up 5X?
http://www.partsgeek.com/4vnxzwy-toyota-van-control-arm.html

[JDM VANMAN]

Naw man that's a Dorman product according to the photo. But still trying to make a killing!!!

[Millie n Me]

just took Millie for an alignment and was told i need to do some fixes first. lower ball joints, upper left ball joint and driver side tie rod ends. I finally made it through this thread and the disappointments are incredible. I know its necessary to shop online but I'm pretty scared now. just saw these and was wondering if anyone has ordered them before and if the part is good and if the delivery was a nightmare. still looking for an upper. any recent luck? i see those on amazon, very tempting.
thanks!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-FRONT-LOWER-BALL-JOINT-TOYOTA-MASTERACE-86-90-TOWNACE-VAN-88-92-VAN-86-90-4WD/260813129362?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D063d8322b31e403ea0 e771907e8d5b1e%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%2 6sd%3D260813129362.

[Chardog1971]

Has anyone found a source for the ball joints yet? I just got an 89 for 200 bucks. runs great, but the PO had the alignment shop look at it and they quoted him around 800 for the job. He decided to sell as a result. Seems like the front end is kinda sloppy, but not so bad.

[timsrv]

Looks like the left side uppers are back on Amazon (click the link in post #9 of this thread), but rights are still currently unavailable. Before assuming they are bad I would recommend checking them (as shown in that same post) and/or taking them to another shop for a 2nd opinion. I had 1st hand experience with a lying shop recently. I had just finished checking all my front suspension components before taking my van in for new tires and an alignment. They put the new tires on but refused to do the alignment due to "bad tie rods". I knew this to be BS so I demanded they show me (which they refused). When I took my van to another shop they said "everything looks good" and they did the alignment. I sent a letter to the 1st shop's upper management and refuse to go back there.

It's very possible you have bad ball joints, but I wouldn't trust that to be a fact until verifed by you or a 2nd party. Tim

[Millie n Me]

I agree with Tim, get a second opinion. After going crazy searching out ball joints I took my van to another shop and they said the ball joints were fine. My tie rods on the other hand were rusted solid. Changing them both out were a pretty easy fix. Napa had them in stock. Got my alignment done after that and it's been good ever since. The eBay and amazon routes have been the only way I have found the elusive ball joints, but as mentioned above, it's hard to know what you're going to get. I have never pulled the trigger on them

[Chardog1971]

Yeah the PO said the ball joints were bad also. I plan on changing them out before I go for an alignment. At that point I will see what the shop says. The place I go to, I have done business with for a long time, so I trust them. I think some shops are scared to work on these vans.
We just got some snow and the 4WD works great. I think I got my 200 bucks worth.

Thanks for the info:redvan::yellowvan::greenvan:

[JDM VANMAN]

I just ordered lower ball joints for my 4WD van Toyota part numbers- 43330-29166, 43340-29116 and they're still going for $59.50!!!:wnk: I need to order the ones for my 2WD van:thmbup:

[bikerjosh]

I just ordered lower ball joints for my 4WD van Toyota part numbers- 43330-29166, 43340-29116 and they're still going for $59.50!!!:wnk: I need to order the ones for my 2WD van:thmbup:

Hey JDM VANMAN, where did you find them for 59.50, I checked amazon and they were $90?
thanks

[JDM VANMAN]

Found them on ToyotaPartsDeal. I ordered them but they haven't shipped them out yet... I'm hoping it's because all shipping companies are busy this time of year.

[timsrv]

Toyotapartsdeal.com shipping dept sucks as they always take ~3 business days to "process" your order. Pretty normal for the days before eBay and Amazon I guess, but pretty lame by today's standards. Even when you choose expidited shipping they still take too long to ship, they just upgrade the shipping service (at your expense). Tim

[bikerjosh]

Just found these on Ebay; listed as fitting 4wd 86-90 toyota van. Not OEM, but good price. $70 for the pair. Wonder how they stack up in quality to Toyota?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260813129362?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


While mine are ok currently, thinking about investing in the future assuming these are going to get harder to find?:dance2:

[JDM VANMAN]

Tim,

you were right its taken about 3-4 days for them to ship out the order, it's not to bad if it's not an emergency but if you need a part right away then your gonna end up paying them.

bikerjosh,

I've seen those on eBay before and just didn't wanna gamble on the quality being questionable so I paid the extra to have OEM parts. I just got them in today but haven't gotten the chance to open the box. I'll open it up tomorrow and post some pictures:thmbup:

JDM

[JDM VANMAN]

Got'em-

[spacecruisers]

Does anyone know where to get upper control arms? my 4wd's ball joints are bad and the only place i can see is the Dorman P/N 522-504 which run about $250 per side, or toyota OEM which run about $280 per side. I did see the Febest part on ebay for about $50 but they only had the left side (no right side available, not even from their website) - Febest part numbers 0124-CM60LH and 0124-CM60RH

the only other alternative i see is the 4runner UCA mod (which would be ideal - its discussed in this thread (http://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?709-4runner-upper-ball-joint-conversion)) but as far as i know it requires some custom parts and nobody on here has tried it... the thread itself is about 5 years old now.

[timsrv]

Chances are the Febest lefts will be gone by the time the rights come in. I purchased another left a couple months ago and I'm waiting for the rights to come in. Of course I have the benefit of time on my side. If you need it now you might be stuck with the Doorman.........but if you're going to pay that much I'd strongly consider OE Toyota (assuming they're still available). Tim

[spacecruisers]

hmmmmmm.... good info. I'm thinking rather than wait on the other Febest side, or drop $600 on a pair of OEM's, i wonder if i could instead have a machinist/fabrication shop make me a solution from 4runner arms. i would think it would be in the same ballpark as replacing with OEMs, and it would give me a more future-proof solution?

[timsrv]

Could be a good way to go. If/when I ever get around to that project of mine (back burner for now), I'm also likely going to modify my lower control arms too. I may make them drop down a bit near the end to compensate for the mod on the uppers (as to keep the pivot area horizontal when installed/loaded). I will also do some calculations and adjust length (if required) to keep the castor of the wheels in spec. Way too many other more important projects to do right now..........sigh. I need to catch up............maybe someday that will happen :?:. Tim

[LightBlueToy]

Does anyone have experience with the Dorman upper control arm / ball joint assemblies (522503 - 522-504)? I assume they are not as sturdy as the toyota oem's, but curious if anyone has actually used them and can give some kind of report on them. "Limited Lifetime Warranty"

Pretty sure I need new upper ball joints, I didn't get any measuring instruments out but it looks to be beyond the 2.3 mm maximum vertical play per the FSM, no? The sound and feel alone made me think they were bad.

Here's a short video of the play: http://sendvid.com/9pep3cg2

[timsrv]

Yeah, that one is definitely messed up. I see a new set of upper arms in your future. If the other side checks out okay you could probably get away with just one, but I always liked to do ball joints in sets. Tim

[spacecruisers]

I'm on the lookout for replacement arms myself. Ones that won't set me back $400 for a set :LOL2:

Edit: looks like the dorman arms are 230 each so 460 total. toyota oem are 280 so 560 total. Yikes

[bikerjosh]

It appears the UCA w/ball joints can be purchased for 107.?? w/shipping to US per side can be ordered by using the Febest Euro site. I currently have a new driver side but am looking for a deal on a passenger side so I have a spare set.
https://shop.febest.eu/
:silvervan:

[spacecruisers]

Sweet! thanks for the link bikerjosh!

I'd been eyeing the left side on ebay for $50, but couldn't find the right side anywhere so was holding off on ordering it since i need to replace them as a pair.

left side on ebay (Febest P/N 0124-CM60LH) total $50.88 shipped
right side on febest eurpoe's site (Febest P/N 0124-CM60RH) total €107.29 EUR - $116.43 USD shipped
$167.31 total for both sides - much better! :lol:

hopefully they both show up on my doorstep in the coming days/weeks.....

UPDATE: the ebay one cancelled saying they were out of stock, and the febest EU order already shipped by that point so i had to make another order and pay for shipping twice :pissed: ended up costing me 116.43x2 so 232.86 total. Would have liked to save that 70 bucks, but then again, 230 for a pair is less than one single OEM so hopefully they turn up and are of decent quality!

[LightBlueToy]

Thanks Tim for the confirmation and thanks Josh for the heads up on the febests. I feel better now

[LightBlueToy]

Any tips outside of the manual on replacing upper control arms and lower ball joints? Pickle fork or ball joint press? Special service tool? Should i be lubricating any bushings? Also i need to grease the zerks on new joints?

[LightBlueToy]

New Febest upper control arms and OEM lower ball joints in.53225323

[spacecruisers]

Nice, looks good!

I have the exact same part combination and job on my list. Any tips or advice from your experience? Was it a brutal battle getting the old stuff off?

[timsrv]

Was the alignment shop able to dial things in? I'm very interested to know the dimensional accuracy of these aftermarket Chinese parts. Tim

[LightBlueToy]

Nice, looks good!

I have the exact same part combination and job on my list. Any tips or advice from your experience? Was it a brutal battle getting the old stuff off?

Edit 5/8/17: Forgot to mention that I didn't follow the FSM to a tee. I didn't remove the hubs or steering knuckle. Took me long enough without doing that..

One of the more brutal parts was separating the lower ball joint body from the knuckle. Not talking about the tapered bore you use a fork or press for. Talking about the flat mating surface. Both sides of the van were very fused together, i didn't really foresee this. Took a bit of hammering. There's not a lot of access here and the knuckle wants to move around sucking the force out of your hammer hits. Hopefully yours are easier, see the picture.

Tim I haven't gotten an alignment yet (van is still parked) because one of my tie rod end boots is ripped and i'd like to replace both. However, I cant get the outer tie rod to unscrew because its really rusted tight, see second picture. Maybe I will pay a shop to do that job and give me an alignment.

I have the front stabilizer bar off and all the bushings ready to go, but i am having a hard time attaching the ends to the lower control arms. Its really hard to flex the bar and get the mounting bolts in for the bracket. Any ideas here would be appreciated. Thanks

[timsrv]

Strategically using a jack doesn't do it? Not exactly sure what the issue is, but I will usually use jacks, pry bars etc and typically don't have too much trouble with that. I certainly understand about the frozen tie rods though (not an uncommon issue). Use penetrating oil, heat, and a big pipe wrench. If that doesn't do it, nothing will. Tim

[LightBlueToy]

Yeah I tried levering it and using a jack but then it was lifting the whole van up. Think I need to put the wheel back on and jump on the front bumper to work the suspension first.

Edit: that did the trick.

Also got that stubborn tie rod end off. Propane torch heat, pb blaster, hit and watch the rust dust come off, pipe wrenches with cheaters on them (one braced in the wheel well). Repeat.

I got some moog tie rod ends, part no: ES2989, on closeout from rockauto. Unfortunately they are not as beefy looking as the toyota oem's. I have added some photos for comparison.

[LightBlueToy]

Was the alignment shop able to dial things in? I'm very interested to know the dimensional accuracy of these aftermarket Chinese parts. Tim


They were able to do everything but the 2 front cam adjusters because they said they were too rusted. The alignment feels better, but not aligned. I guess I need to order some new adjusters/bolts and hopefully get the old ones out.

[timsrv]

Bump......FYI, I check Amazon every few months and I just discovered these upper 4wd A-Arms are available again (1st page of this thread). They are $59.95 (right or left) and they had 6 of each. I just bought one of the rights, so at the moment of this post they have 5 rights and 6 lefts.

Upper left control arm w/ball joint #48067-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48067-28050-4806728050-Upper-Front-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFFU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837218&sr=8-1&keywords=48067-28050)

Upper right control arm w/ball joint #48066-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48066-28050-4806628050-Right-Upper-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFGQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837751&sr=8-2&keywords=4806628050)

Ebay has them too...........same price with free shipping. Tim

[bikerjosh]

Bump......FYI, I check Amazon every few months and I just discovered these upper 4wd A-Arms are available again (1st page of this thread). They are $59.95 (right or left) and they had 6 of each. I just bought one of the rights, so at the moment of this post they have 5 rights and 6 lefts.

Upper left control arm w/ball joint #48067-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48067-28050-4806728050-Upper-Front-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFFU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837218&sr=8-1&keywords=48067-28050)

Upper right control arm w/ball joint #48066-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48066-28050-4806628050-Right-Upper-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFGQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837751&sr=8-2&keywords=4806628050)

Ebay has them too...........same price with free shipping. Tim

Bummer, I broke down and paid $100 for the passenger side shipped from Europe when I didn't see them on Amazon for a long time. I can't possibly think I'd need a second back up set??

[llamavan]

[...]at the moment of this post they have 5 rights and 6 lefts.

And as of this post, they are now down to 2 rights and 3 lefts 'cuz I ordered two of each, and someone else snagged one of each before I got there.

Gwen

[originalkwyjibo]

and someone else snagged one of each before I got there.

Gwen
I ordered one of each last night as soon as I saw Tim's post. I was going to order two but decided that seemed greedy. Not that I'm pointing any fingers.......Gwen. Just kidding of course.
I'm actually thinking with an extra set around to use to make a jig I may see what I can fabricate for a more serviceable and possibly modifiable part. Thinking along the lines of tubular with replaceable ball joints, possibly slightly longer to offset for a lift.
Something along the lines of this. In my abundance of spare time of course. LOL
https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/xlarge/djm-ca2355u_xl.jpg?rep=False

[JDM VANMAN]

I just took a set as well!!:yes:

JDM

[timsrv]

BTW, the last time they ran out it took a little over a year to restock (Amazon ran out towards the end of 2016), so if anybody else wants some you better move quick :yes:.

[Carbonized]

Got my set too!:thmbup:
Thank you Tim for the head's up!

[timsrv]

I just checked and see that all the Amazon rights are gone now but they still have 1 left side. For anybody else interested, Febest USA and what appears to be the same seller from Amazon (Finest auto parts) also has some eBay listings here:

Left side:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Left-Upper-Front-Arm-Febest-0124-CM60LH-Oem-48067-28050/263472685604?epid=504529447&hash=item3d58322224:g:91MAAOSw38BadHwU&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Left-Upper-Front-Arm-Febest-0124-CM60LH-Oem-48067-28050/222819608200?epid=227487051&hash=item33e1156688:g:SvsAAOSwWMhac0IG&vxp=mtr

Right Side:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Right-Upper-Front-Arm-Febest-0124-CM60RH-Oem-48066-28050/253404735759?epid=1551344427&hash=item3b0019690f:g:UrIAAOSwkvdadHwD&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Right-Upper-Front-Arm-FEBEST-0124-CM60RH-OEM-48066-28050/222703205778?epid=227480882&hash=item33da253d92:m:mlulSD8nZJdHB1THA9sMNfA&vxp=mtr

Note: at the time of this posting, the Febest USA Right arm is only $50.88 and still has free shipping. Tim

[Carbonized]

They also have some at https://www.carid.com/1989-toyota-van-performance-control-arms/?filter=1&sub-model[DriveTypeName][]=4WD+%28Four+Wheel+Drive%29 but take a pill before you see the price:roflmao:

[Carbonized]

I am looking for the lower ones, as mine look like the french pastry called "Mille feuilles" a thousand layers of rust held together by thin air:LOL2:

[JDM VANMAN]

I am looking for the lower ones, as mine look like the french pastry called "Mille feuilles" a thousand layers of rust held together by thin air:LOL2:


check out posting #64,65,66 in this thread. The part numbers are listed and when I just checked the part is still available :thmbup::thmbup:

JDM

[Carbonized]

Thanks VANMAN, I knew of the ball-joints. What I need is the complete lower control arms for 4WD :rolleyes:. My van comes from a snowy/salty area of the country, and probably never saw a rinse off in it's life. Imagine.... every thing under look like the ship in The Pirate of the Caribbean Dead man tell no tales: see-through:roflmao:

[llamavan]

Amazon just sent me an email that my order was canceled. :cry:

Gwen

[timsrv]

Amazon just sent me an email that my order was canceled. :cry:

Gwen

That sucks..........better jump on the eBay ones fast. I got a Fed-Ex tracking number on mine and it's supposed to be here on Friday (shipped from Florida). Tim

PS: I'd recommend going with the seller FebestUSA as the other guy on eBay is the same as Amazon (Finest Auto Parts). If he's out on Amazon, he's probably also out on eBay.

[originalkwyjibo]

That sucks! I've been tracking mine like a hawk considering the other people that have had this happen. Mine say they left Florida on Friday and are supposed to arrive by next Monday.

[Carbonized]

Mine has shipped, should be here between the 8 and the 13 th :?:I live 6 miles from the place!!! Fed Ex??? :redface:

[JDM VANMAN]

I got a Amazon text update this morning 1057am that the upper arm set was being shipped out via FedEx and ETA is 2/10 Saturday.

I just check the tracking number on the FedEx website and it has departed the origin facility at 1052pm, 1pkg, 21 lbs

JDM

[bikerjosh]

That sucks..........better jump on the eBay ones fast. I got a Fed-Ex tracking number on mine and it's supposed to be here on Friday (shipped from Florida). Tim

PS: I'd recommend going with the seller FebestUSA as the other guy on eBay is the same as Amazon (Finest Auto Parts). If he's out on Amazon, he's probably also out on eBay.

Yeah, by the time I decided I needed a pair the Amazon ones were gone so I jumped on the Ebay ones from FebestUSA. On the way

[llamavan]

That sucks..........better jump on the eBay ones fast. I got a Fed-Ex tracking number on mine and it's supposed to be here on Friday (shipped from Florida). Tim

PS: I'd recommend going with the seller FebestUSA as the other guy on eBay is the same as Amazon (Finest Auto Parts). If he's out on Amazon, he's probably also out on eBay.

I just grabbed the single remaining left one. Unless I'm unlucky again.

Gwen

[boogieman]

i feel like since we're buying all these up, theyll make more...

[Carbonized]

BAAMM!! Come to Papa! :)>: Febest from Crapazon, same as Fleabay :cnfsd:

6600

now I just have to find the lowers 'cause this is bad...

6601

[Carbonized]

Aren't these RWD van front UPPERs? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Moog-Control-Arm-Front-Driver-Left-Side-Lower-New-With-ball-RK621261/371819371885?fits=Year%3A1989%7CMake%3AToyota%7CMo del%3AVan&epid=173843654&hash=item5692295d6d:g:W3cAAOSwTVtZa7gb

[Carbonized]

That #8 look pretty close to the one on our 4WD. https://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-OEM-90-98-4Runner-Front-Lower-Control-Arm-4806835051/253064927540?epid=659078100&hash=item3aebd85934:g:c28AAOSwbyZZeP6Q Same on the Tacoma of that era.
Anyway to crosscheck parts #?
Could it be?:drool:

[timsrv]

Looks like 2wd uppers......perhaps he has the wrong picture?

[Carbonized]

Looks like 2wd uppers......perhaps he has the wrong picture?

There is no way of filtering 4WD in the vehicle selection. They have the lower 2wd MOOG picture right when they sale the 2wd lower. I think they just mislabeled the upper as a lower: confusing at best, annoying if you do not know the difference and place the order.

[Carbonized]

Do we have our self a source for an NLA van part? Is it wishful thinking? Look at the Lower control arm part #

This is the 4WD van:
https://parts.lakelandtoyota.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=503273&ukey_make=1060&ukey_model=15456&modelYear=1989&ukey_category=21651&ukey_driveLine=6677&ukey_trimLevel=18391


This is 4Runner:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-OEM-90-98-4Runner-Front-Lower-Control-Arm-4806835051/253064927540?epid=659078100&hash=item3aebd85934:g:c28AAOSwbyZZeP6Q

[timsrv]

Although similar and maybe even adaptable, I seriously doubt the 4 runner parts are interchangeable. If it's NLA from Toyota, then about the only source I know would be salvage yards...........and these are becoming quite rare to find there (especially 4wd vans). It's an unfortunate reality of owning older obsolete vehicles (as I'm sure you're already all too aware of). Tim

[Carbonized]

Yes I know.Yesterday I ordered the driver side from The Yotayard in Denver, the passenger side was already gone..

I just called them back, and they said that it would have to be the 90/95 chassis as after that the 4Runner went from shock/ torsion bar (like the van) to coil over. He will send me side by side pics and measurements in a day or 2.

Side note: if any body needs a 4Y engine... it is running but 300something thousand miles. they have one.
Back to our regular program :)

[Carbonized]

Here is side by side Van VS 4Runner 86/95 and 96/02. No dice !!

6794

[spacecruisers]

Here is side by side Van VS 4Runner 86/95 and 96/02. No dice !!

BUMMER! i was really hoping this mod would work out!

[Hammervan]

I've been obsessively checking the Amazon links Tim supplied and it looks like the upper 4wd ball joint/control arms are finally back in stock. As of 7/17/18 they have 15 lefts and 7 rights (minus the ones I ordered). Hopefully it's true! Get 'em while you can.
I also ordered the last set of AC Delco lower ball joints they had. They are cheaper there than on Rockauto.

[filterway]

Hi all,

i think to replace my poor chinese upper arm installed in 2013 because they make a lot of cracking and for alignment they are a little be too short to be Inside the green zone.

I found febest upper arm at 59.95$ each... Should i guess buying theses parts? My other option is to buy directly from JAPAN OEM upper arm at 220$... big difference.

Someone had experience with FEBEST upper arm?


thank you.

[Carbonized]

Someone had experience with FEBEST upper arm?
.

Guess what?

7443

Febest is German, yet they manufacture in China, and if you read the whole thread you'll find that whether from Crapazon or Fleabay or any independent they all come from China. The OEM are NLA from Japan too. If you order from Lakeland, Rockauto, or other online store they place the order to Japan , then they are told the part is NLA and cancel your order in an Email a week later. You have just wasted a week and they have made interest on your( as well as hundred others) money for that period of time.

The Febest is not a bad part, but when placed side by side with the Toyota you could question the quality and sturdiness.

7438

The OEM is a lot beefier. After installing the Febests I started cleaning the OEM, just for giggles, What I found under the rust and dirt was some amazing pieces of casting. I flushed out the old crusted grease from the ball joint, and bearings by pumping WD 40 and laquer thinner through all the grease fittings (3). At this point, everything moved freely and smoothly no play, no squeak. I replaced as many bushings I could still find, re-greased and now I have the most expensive spare upper arms on the planet!:LOL2:



7440
7441


My point is if you can get your hand on a OEM set and don't mind getting down and dirty, you can get yourself the $220.00 original Toyota upper arms.

[JDM VANMAN]

That’s amazing!! I’ll fly down to you with my parts and be your apprentice!!:wrthy:

JDM

[filterway]

My point is if you can get your hand on a OEM set and don't mind getting down and dirty, you can get yourself the $220.00 original Toyota upper arms.

Ok thanks for your comment. I will probably go with OEM if i can :-)

[Carbonized]

I know it' a bit far but maybe someone could pick for you https://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?6103-Another-4WD-to-pick-appart

[spacelegovan]

great info here....any posts anywhere on doing just the lower ball joint on an 88 anywhere ?

[Carbonized]

We touched on the Lowers on page 6 of this thread, they are now a "salvage yard exclusives". I had to find two arms from two different yards and give them the same treatment as my OEM uppers.

Nasty!!!!
7939

Under the crust... not so bad :wnk:
7940

The after the nail gun and finished with all new bushings and hardware (still available!) :yes:
7941


If you want to rebuild the Ball joints only, it's easier than the uppers as you can take them off the arm and work on a bench.

At one point in it's life, this was called grease :shock: .Wonder why the funny noises and this feeling that something is binding /grinding?

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This was a bit tedious because there is no grease fitting to inject solvant and cleaner, and that cake was pretty "solid" at places.

To be continued....

[Carbonized]

….continued.

With patience, multiple soaks in laquer thinner, a dental pick, a tooth brush, compressed air.....

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Some very lite pitting but no play, no slack, even bone dry

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. So paint, repack grease, and...

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New castle nut and cotter pin and good for service :thmbup:

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[LightBlueToy]

What did you do for the the balljoint when you refurbished your upper control arms?

[Carbonized]

As explained in post 121, flushed the old grease with laquer thinner and WD 40. Then when repacking I started without the boot and discarded the first blobs of grease coming out, just in case. The OEM uppers have a grease fitting on top of the ball join witch make that job easier . You can remove that fitting and use a rubber tipped blow gun (compressed air) to force-flush the cleaners through the joint.

Now that is Clean!

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[Burntboot]

Carbon - That is incredible work, I am in awe once again.

Would you please consider sharing your methods on how you:

A) re&re the boots without damage
B) re&re the spring clips
C) Make those boots look like they are brand new.

I suspect some sort of magic wand might be involved?

[LightBlueToy]

I see see, my bad for missing that earlier post. I guess I was just thinking that the balljoints would be too worn unless they previously had a short/easy service life. I don't think I could have cleaned out and regreased the ball joints on my UCA's. Or am I missing yet another piece of the puzzle, wouldn't surprise me if I was. Just trying to learn.

edit: just reread and you stated "no play, no squeak" so I guess there's my answer.

[Carbonized]

Burntboot
HA HA! Here is My magic Wand:

The secret is in the red handle: it's faster :LOL2:.
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Ok starting with B, I developed this technic after fighting the wrong way over a couple of boots. After trying to unwind the spring clip over the fat part of the billow, Thus stretching the spring over its limit and risking to tear the rubber (witch I did once :doh: witch prompted me to use my head :wall: and think hard :wall:) .Holding the ball joint into a vice, with the treaded end upward I now use my magic wand to grab the lower tip of the spring, pull it out of the rubber groove and force it over and under the edge of the boot . I then slide the magic wand further up and around the spring, chasing it out of the rubber groove and in the metal channel underneath it.
After the 1st lap or so I start to gently pull upward on the boot to help it stretch out of the channel.
After 2 and1/2 lap the spring clip should be resting loose where the groove of the boot used to be, and the boot free to slide up and out..
Re install is pretty much the reverse with help of a needle nose plyer and a flat screw driver to force the rubber boot groove over the metal ridge into its channel while the Magic wand wind the spring back into the rubber groove.
The magic wand by the way is called a mechanic pick.
The answer to A is simply that all the boots I had to deal with where in an amazingly good shape, no cracks, no dry rot, still very flexible. My guess is that on top of being of superior rubber quality, they are kept in a relatively cool and dark environment. UVs and high heat exposure are the worst enemies of rubber so is repeated high stress. Also it may be that the rubber is kept "conditioned" by the petroleum based grease inside?
Answer to C: See A + dish soap and water, nothing else. Amazing!

By the way, the boot I managed to tear into, I fixed it using an adhesive/sealer : Sikaflex-295 UV, force some in the cut with a pin, one dab on the inside, one dab on the outside, good to go!

[timsrv]

We touched on the Lowers on page 6 of this thread, they are now a "salvage yard exclusives". I had to find two arms from two different yards and give them the same treatment as my OEM uppers.....

I think spacelegovan is only after the lower ball joints. If so, you should still be able to get them:

Lower left ball joint #43340-29116 (http://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/43340-29116.html)

Lower right ball joint #43330-29166 (http://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/43330-29166.html)

I also checked aftermarket on rockauto.com and see they still have some there as well (although their supply looked very limited). Not sure if you can order AM through Napa or other parts stores, but wouldn't be surprised if you could. Tim

[Carbonized]

Toyotapartsdeal also claims to have the OEM upper arms and we all know the reality. At least call first to confirm, toyotaparstdeal or toyotapartsoverstock answer the phone, Rockauto no so much I found. I found myself many time waiting for a part just to receive an Email days latter informing me that the part is NLA.
If they tell you that YOU have to place your order and pay for it first, so they can place the order with Japan just to know if the part exist, you pretty much know what will happen. At least it has been my experience.
Also make sure to always insist about the 4WD (YR3), some parts are still available for the 2WD but have been NLA for years for the 4WD .Some Part# have changed over the years and it can get confusing at times.
Now if Tim says they are available he usually does his home work pretty well! :thmbup:

[JDM VANMAN]

I got them on toyotapartsdeal-

Page 4, posts 64-70 in this thread check it out:thmbup:

JDM

[cpginkpt]

update - Amazon showed 7 RH upper in stock so I order yesterday and got the dreaded "not available" email today.

Amazon still says 6 in stock.

ALSO - I found Tim's "do it in 2 hrs" post but that is for a 2wd version and does not need a full control arm replace required by the 4wd version.

So the question is - do I really need to remove all the seat, radiator etc per the manual to get that RH control arm out or is there a shortcut?

[Carbonized]

On the 4WD, no you cannot do it without removing the radiator. The ball joint is part of the arm. If you need to replace it, you need to remove the arm. The forward bolt of the arm is forward of the radiator and under some A.C. lines: No access. :no: If by any chance you just need a deep cleaning of the joint, it can be done without removing the arm. If you haven't done so already, disconnect the upright from the joint and try moving it by hand. If it's hard to move ( stiff) you may be lucky. Check under the boot and it might just need a clean and repack. If its super loose and you can rattle it: you ran out of luck. Start wrenching.

[boberth]

Hey I'm newbie to the Toyota Van community, but is it possible to replace just the Ball Joint boots? Both of my joints are in great shape but one of my boots had a large puncture. I tore the boot off in order to get size measurements and now I am struggling to find replacement boots. Do you guys have any leads? Currently looks like my only alternative is to replace he whole upper front arm off amazon, which I'd rather avoid.
Thanks in advance.

[Maxisback]

I've just discovered I have to replace upper ball joints , Ive read this thread , any recent updates on availability , or does anyone have a set (upper control arms) to part with ?

[bikerjosh]

I have a brand new set of UCA for a 4wd van made by febest. Bought them for my van for it’s future but am going to be putting the van up for sale shortly so willing to sell. PM for details. Thanks Josh

[Maxisback]

I pmd you ...

[bikerjosh]

Yeah, sorry I missed the first attempt, sent you a PM.

[Flecker]

Has anyone found a source for just the lower balljoint boots?

[timsrv]

Check post #6 on page 1 of this thread

[Flecker]

Check post #6 on page 1 of this thread


K, I looked but it's for a new complete balljoint. I was wondering if anyone had a source for just the dustboot. Mines ripped on the front driver side, but the joint is in good shape itself. Did I miss it?

[Elbe]

Hi & welcome to TVT! That's very interesting that these are available on Amazon for so cheap (Toyota discount sites are selling for around $350 now). I checked the EPC and verified this is the correct part number (for left side upper). Although the ones on Amazon are using a Toyota part number, I can't help but think these must be Chinese reproductions. None the less, I couldn't resist the price and I purchased a set of them. FYI, the 4wd van uses 4 unique ball joints. 2 on the left (upper and lower) and 2 on the right (these are mirror image & non interchangeable from side to side). The lowers are just simple ball joints, but the uppers are integral with the upper control arm (if a ball joint fails you need to replace the entire upper control arm). Until you posted about the Amazon ones, I wasn't aware these were available from anywhere except Toyota (thank you). Here are the part numbers for 87 - 89 4wd Toyota Van ball joints:

Upper left control arm w/ball joint #48067-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48067-28050-4806728050-Upper-Front-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFFU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837218&sr=8-1&keywords=48067-28050)

Upper right control arm w/ball joint #48066-28050 (http://www.amazon.com/48066-28050-4806628050-Right-Upper-Toyota/dp/B00HCOFGQU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837751&sr=8-2&keywords=4806628050)

Lower left ball joint #43340-29116 (https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~joint-assy-lwr-ball~43340-29116.html)

Lower right ball joint #43330-29166 (https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~joint-assy-lwr-ball~43330-29166.html)

Regarding the noise in your front end, don't just assume it's the ball joints. You'll want to get under there and check to verify before replacing.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/suspension/4wdvanballjointinspection_zpsc1f51493.jpg

The easy way is to take your van in for a front end alignment. If the tech knows what he's doing he'll check these before trying to align. By law they are required to check and are not allowed to align if these parts are worn beyond spec. If that's the case, they'll tell you about it. These ball joints are pretty tough, so I suspect your factory ones are still good. When the front suspension makes noise, it's usually due to dry upper control arm bushings. On the 4wd there are plugs you can pull out & install grease zerks. It's not a bad idea to get up in there from time to time with a grease gun. Tim
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/timsrv/TVT%20pics/suspension/4wdupperaarmgreasepoint_zps74150032.jpg

Tim, I just ordered the left front upper control arm and ball joint from Moog, they said it fits 88 4wd TV but I am a bit doubtful. Do you know anything about the Moog control arms? I was just reading all your info on the ones you got from amazon. How do you like the aftermarket ones from febestparts? I also got a left outer tie rod end from Moog as well. Just being cautious.

Thanks

[timsrv]

If you give me the part numbers you ordered I can tell you if they will fit. I know Moog sells these control arms for 2wd vans (I just replaced uppers and lowers on mine with Moog), but I doubt they have them for 4wd's............ I could be wrong. Tim

[Elbe]

If you give me the part numbers you ordered I can tell you if they will fit. I know Moog sells these control arms for 2wd vans (I just replaced uppers and lowers on mine with Moog), but I doubt they have them for 4wd's............ I could be wrong. Tim


Thanks Tim, I did try the Moog but unfortunately it did not fit, it has a totally different configuration from the 4wd upper control arms. But I did order the ones you had mentioned in your thread from amazon. Fingers crossed.

[scotty]

I found a set of 4wd upper control arms on eBay from FEBEST for $65 shipped from Florida. You can find them with the OEM part numbers, 48066-29050 & 48067-28050. They also have them listed under the replacement part numbers, 0124-CM60RH & 0124-CM60LH.

[spacecruisers]

$65 each is a great deal, I spent about $150 each to ship them from Europe about two years ago because I wanted to have a set in case they disappeared. Good to see them being sold stateside now.

[Gareth]

Also available on Amazon. I assume there's a typo in the part #'s, should be: 48066-28050 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HCOFGQU/) & 48067-28050 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HCOFFU2/) (28050 for the end of each, not 29050 for one of them).

The seller (Finest Auto Parts) appears to be direct from Febest, based on the email in their profile.

[scotty]

Yes, thanks. That was a typo. Should be 28050

[Jtbechtold]

I though https://www.amazon.com/APDTY-145622-Ball-Joint/dp/B08GNJY4WY/ref=sr_1_22?dchild=1&qid=1610510868&s=automotive&sr=1-22&vehicle=1987-76-942-997--39-8-7-4776-1895-4-1-1996-191-1&vehicleName=1987+Toyota+Vant the upper control arms ball joint wasn't replaceable unless you bought the whole arm? what is this?

[timsrv]

I though https://www.amazon.com/APDTY-145622-Ball-Joint/dp/B08GNJY4WY/ref=sr_1_22?dchild=1&qid=1610510868&s=automotive&sr=1-22&vehicle=1987-76-942-997--39-8-7-4776-1895-4-1-1996-191-1&vehicleName=1987+Toyota+Vant the upper control arms ball joint wasn't replaceable unless you bought the whole arm? what is this?

That's for a 2wd van. Front suspension on the 4wd is totally different from the 2wd. Tim

[Jtbechtold]

yes I am aware of that, I just have not visually seen the difference. The reason I ask.

[timsrv]

The 4wd vans have cast iron upper control arms with the ball joints physically cast/formed into them (all 1 piece). The 2wd uses stamped steel upper control arms with bolt-on ball joints. If you search the site for "ball joints" I'm sure you'll find pics of both. Tim

[Jtbechtold]

So is this the 4wd upper?https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PUKwoPM-L._AC_SL1000_.jpg

[timsrv]

I don't know what that is for, but it's not a Toyota Van. I just did a search under "ball joint" and easily found multiple examples. Here's a link that will take you to a post that shows 4wd and 2wd upper control arms side by side:

https://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?709-4runner-upper-ball-joint-conversion&p=20695#post20695

[Hammervan]

I wanted to post a review of the Febest upper control arms. They've held up to some rough off-roading despite their flimsy appearance (compared to OEM) but after 2 years and 12,000 miles I noticed the boots are torn and there is no grease left in the joint. GRRR... that's some seriously crappy rubber. It's been asked earlier in this thread, but any recommendations on replacing just the boot? I sure as hell don't want to replace the arms again if I don't have to. I noticed Rockauto has just the right control arm from Dorman for $69... looks like a similar casting as the Febest ones. Too bad there's nothing else available...

Looks like Febest sells just the boot on Amazon for $21.95 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DMA9KIS/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00DMA9KIS&pd_rd_w=Me3es&pf_rd_p=eff89026-4a7e-4247-9014-41bfda9dafc0&pd_rd_wg=O6dHe&pf_rd_r=ADZ0K02GKDCHJ4PK42NN&pd_rd_r=b8cfd815-afaf-4fe3-aa96-7a60605f18f4&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRzUwMUlLUlU4WVhJJ mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjM4OTE0MTBZVTlFOUU4NkNGSyZlbmN yeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzgyNjQ3MTRPRjNWUlFJMTFJNCZ3aWRnZ XROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbCZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZ kb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=), almost a third of the price of the whole assembly! But why would I want to get another part that lasts only two years? I guess I'll measure the joint and try to find a universal fit replacement.

[boogieman]

thanks for the review/update..seems to be par for the course with aftermarket parts especially cv boots on the reman shafts...good to hear the joint is still tight after 12k and a fair bit of offroad? maybe finding some oem toyota boot will be the ticket and just replacing it before install..my oem with 255k are still tight and intact...amazing

[Hammervan]

For those looking for just the upper ball joint boot, I deducted that the part number is 43324-26020. Toyotapartsdeal.com let me order them but got the sadly familiar response the next day that they are unavailable. I found some decent replicas from Bulgaria of all places (https://polyboots.com/toyota-hiace-hilux-ball-joint-boot-19x52x36-mm-black) but didn't feel like waiting for them to make the trip across the Atlantic. So I got these universal polyurethane ones (Energy Suspension 13026 (https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/13026)) that were closest in dimensions I could find to the ball joint measurements. Because this style doesn't use clamps to keep them on and they are a bit too tall, they are bulged out a little on top. I suppose they will still provide more protection than my shredded Febest ones that totally disintegrated on removal.

I found that by backing off the preload on the torsion bars, it was pretty easy to disconnect the upper ball joint without having to remove anything else. At least this gave me an opportunity to note that the Febest ball joints are still tight after a couple years of use.
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[Hammervan]

Update on the Energy Suspension 13026 (https://www.energysuspensionparts.com/13026) ball joint boots, I peeled them back and found that water was getting in. I ordered the genuine Toyota part 43324-26020 from Partsouq in the United Arab Emirates. Amazingly, I ordered them on Monday and they made it all the way to my Utah residence on Friday. I didn't have the original clips for the top so I twised on a bit of safety wire to keep them snug. Perfect.