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The surfaces need to be extremely smooth. I don't think it would seal right on mill marks. There are techniques to get a smooth surface without a machine shop, but a machined surface is best.
With a properly prepped surface and MLS gasket no gasket prep or spray is needed; however, you can use copper spray gasket if the surface is less than perfect, but that is not ideal.
The OEM Valve Grind Gasket Kit (04112-73035) I ordered from ToyotaPartsDeal.com arrived today. MyToy, you might want to call them and have somebody double check status on that part number. I have doubts on the one I ordered from Amazon though as when I check my order status it only says "Arriving August 13 - September 24". I also ordered 2 of those MLS gaskets off of eBay and they are on their way. I guess I'm all set for head gaskets for a while now. Tim
WHAT!!!!!!
These SOB's:pissed:
I have been on the phone with these idiots all week long with several orders in since I have staged my garage and people to finish this head work this long weekend. Everyone came through except ToyotaDeals. They have no brains.
Now I have the van torn down to the block, other cars out of the garage to allow for extra tables and tools with just a Flo Pro gasket kit and you tell me this??
Oh crap, I really fear putting this Flo Pro in. I guess I will have to eat crow AGAIN and call them on Monday. So I close down the project until I have some lead on a gasket.
Tim, again can tell fill me in on this MLS gasket from eBay in case I fail to come up with one from Toy?
Is it as good as theirs?
What a Joke
Thanks for the heads up Tim.
I know nothing about the MLS except what VanCo has said about it (previous posts in this thread). In your case I'm thinking the MLS may not be your best choice due to the special attention required. I on the other hand happen to be planning another rebuild job and will be taking the block and head into the machine shop to have it punched out .050 mm larger/have new pistons fitted & have bronze guides installed in the head. Since all parts will already be there I'll have them deck/polish the block and head so I can use the MLS gasket. I also plan on modifying the MLS to match holes provided in the OE gasket (like VanCo did).
I don't know what to tell you regarding ToyotaPartsDeal.com. Sounds like there's some people there who know how to do their jobs and other's who don't. Guess I got lucky with the people who processed and pulled my order. Good luck. Tim
Hey Tim:
It never ends. This is the response I received after trying to order again.
Thank you for ordering parts with us.
We are writing to inform you that order CT950859 has been voided. Your order has been voided because of the following reason(s): The ordered part(s) have been discontinued (no longer available) and/or is backordered with no ETA date by the manufacture.
So now I have to regroup again to finish this motor:no:
I want to keep the one I just got......especially now since these may be going the way of the Dodo Bird. But, I want you to have one too, so I just ordered another (and as before they took my money). So let's wait and see. If it shows up I'll sell to you for the same price. Tim
PS: No obligation......if I do get it and you don't want it, I don't have a problem keeping another set around.
Tim:
I did not mean to imply to buy any of yours. You need these much more than I do as your business, which always comes first.
But I will tell you one thing. If your able to get one then I know they must have something against Florida.
I will hold off and see what happens. I have other stuff I can do but I also have businesses to run.
Thanks
MT
No, you did not imply or suggest anything.........but I did buy from there AFTER you tried and you reported it was unavailable. I would not have tried to order if you had not posted, so I feel like I got the kit intended for you. You also have an immediate need and I do not. If I can help you get one of these I'm happy to do so. I'll keep you posted. Tim
I’ve been reading this thread and today my son who’s a service writer at Volvo called his sister dealership Toyota to find out if the part was available and it looks like there’s five left in the nation. MyToy it’s strange that they keep denying your order, are you purchasing the part as a Guest or do you have an account with them... not sure if that will make the difference?
JDM
MyToy,Quote:
Originally Posted by MyToy
Have you tried ToyotaPartsOverstock.com, they are part or affiliated with LAKELAND TOYOTA Inc, a major dealership in Florida. If you are from the area you can pay them a visit at 2925 Mall Hill Dr. Lakeland FL. Or give them a call: 863 688 5451. That's the letter head on a receipt for an order at ToyotaPartsOverstock.com
If possible it would be worth going there. I always had a better relationship in person/ face to face, with the Parts people at a stealership than over the phone. They are usually quite knowledgeable and more willing to dig in the database when they are dealing with a face :wnk:
Hope that help, let us know.
I just got a notice telling me there is a delay, but they expect to have it at their dealership by July 12th and will ship it at that time:
Hello from ToyotaPartsDeal.com,
Thank you for ordering your part(s) with us.
We would like to inform you that we have ordered the parts (which are listed below) from the Toyota Parts Center to complete your order.
We will ship out the order in its entirety once we have all the parts.
Part No. Description Order
Qty. Status ETA*
04112-73035 GASKET KIT,ENGINE VA 1 On Order** 07/12/2019
*ETA Estimated arrival time to our dealership.
**On order to Toyota Parts Center with an estimated arrival date.
If your order takes longer than the estimated ETA above, we will send you an email and update you on the status of your order. Please contact us if you do not receive an update email.
Thank you for your patience.
Regards,
Customer Service
ToyotaPartsDeal.com
OMG!!!!!!
You have to be kidding me................................................ .......Sorry for that delay, I was picking myself up off the floor!
Well, OK. I guess I will make the call to wait a bit longer to complete. I was hoping this weekend but that sounds highly unlikely. Please keep me posted and a million thanks. Can decide on shipping when we know they are in your hands.Sent PM
MT
LOL, I just got another email from them saying there was a price increase of $6.52 and if I wanted them "to continue processing the order" I had to pay. I went ahead and paid it and gave them the green light. Although it seems a bit "odd" to ask for more money after the fact, they appear to be working with me. Seems strange they are giving you the brush-off. You must have really pissed somebody off there. :cnfsd:. Tim
Just my .02 cents
I have used Fel Pro HG's in the past on several Totyota engines. Probably a dozen 22r/e's, a 3.slow, a couple of 5vzfe's (3.4), a 2rz and even an old 3fe cruiser engine. And to be honest, I think it's every bit of the quality of Toyota HG's. Heck, LC engineering uses the Fel Pro HG's for their production line (they turn out a quality series of engines for many Toyota applications).
I can't speak to the Van experience because I have yet to do a HG job on the 4ye to date... but when I do, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Fel Pro considering what my past experience has been with them. Even the other gaskets I have used from them have been great and sealed up appropriately! The only bad experiences I have had with them are the exhaust manifold gaskets sealing right... that said it was a surface mating issue, and not the gasket really.
I realize a lot of guys on this forum want oem Toyota parts, and I get it... but even the Toyota hg's aren't the same as the og asbestos filled brand. They have changed their composition's also.
In short for a decent composite HG, I would rock the fel pro any day of the week.
Poor experiences have been had with the ITM and Apex brands... I have seen them pop on a couple 22re's in less than 5k! Even with great machined surfaces on the deck and head.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, I just like to stick with what I know. More than anything I really hate doing a job like that twice due to "questionable" or poor quality materials. I have also used Felpro head gaskets in the past for other applications (mostly on pre-historic muscle cars and engines with cast-iron heads) and I always regarded Felpro quality as top notch.
With these things nearing 40 years old and knowing that Toyota OE parts start to dwindle ~ the 20 year mark, it's inevitable that we will eventually be forced to experiment with other brands. I'm sure there are some out there just as good as Toyota, but not sure yet which ones those are. What I do know is Toyota brand is top notch and they spend a lot of money in product research to keep things that way.
When it comes to aftermarket there's going to be good products and there's also going to be bad ones. It all boils down to not knowing which products will work best for us and our particular application. At some point enough of us will have experience with these different brands and be able to collaborate results. Until then, if I can get Toyota, then that's what I'm sticking to........with the exception of the MLS gasket that Vanco recommends. If the block and head are prepared correctly, I believe that type gasket to be superior. Tim
I absolutely agree with ya Tim.
When it comes to oem, Toyota typically makes a great product... not sure if you remember though the 3vzfe (v-6 sold in many 88-95 Toyota pickups, 4runners and the early t-100's), but they had a slue of issues with their HG's and failure after 1989 due to having to re-design from the og because of composition type (asbestos) and the huge failure rate that followed.
It's just an example, and a personal experience I had with the Toyota (rare as it may be) quality at the time.
I guess it can be a crap shoot either way, and like any repair or vehicle surgery it all boils down to process and method. Running a really clean repair with inferior parts, or running a not so clean process with superior parts both play a role.
I guess with the rarity of oem Toyota hg's I'm just saying that the next in line for me would be the fel pro. I wouldn't hesitate to put one in and drive it like I stole it. :dance2:
Hope you've been well man!
Edit: and with the VanCo comment--- Yip! If you get the surfces smooth as glass, theres no beating that gasket! Or a full copper for that matter (You won't ever find that for the little vanwagons though, least not that I have seen).
Oddly enough, I did get results on Amazon too!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=new
77 bucks seems steep though, but hey it's Toyota oem!
Right part number too..
MyToy. Should jump on that man!
That Amazon gasket you linked to is only the head gasket (no other seals or gaskets included). I don't think it will come quickly though (if at all) the listing says "Usually ships within 1 to 3 months." It also states "Free delivery: Aug 26 - Oct 7". I ordered one just to see how long it actually takes and will report back when/if it arrives. Tim
Quote:
Originally Posted by timsrv
LOL, you animal! No wonder all the toy parts are drying up!
:rol:
I was gonna pull the trigger on it too though, so I guess ya beat me to it.
Lol, you could still try and get one. BTW, the other gasket kit I had ordered from Amazon (the complete kit) was cancelled. That listing now statesQuote:
Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
I just ordered 2 of them, there’s 4 left in the nation, according to the Toyota Parts guy my son is dealing with.
JDM
Just an update on my head replacement. Moved forward this weekend on re-assembly.
Pretty straight forward except for one issue.
I torqued the head bolts as per spec and sequence. Went ahead and completed installation of intake manifold both top and bottom, all hoses, vac lines and such.
Went back a day later to put on the valve cover and decided to check the torque one more time. Some of the bolts required more to make them click. Now I am concerned that I may have over torqued them if the wrench was out of cal.
I am going out today to purchase a new torque wrench to recheck the numbers.
My question is if I did over torque any of the bolts should I pull them back to the correct value or leave them alone.
Or does it depend how much it may be over torqued.:no:
Any feed back on this would be helpful. I will attempt to try the new one tonight.
Having a torque wrench out-of-spec can be a big problem. If you think that may have happened, and you think they are not torqued properly, then I think it would be a good idea to go back and torque again. I would probably loosen them all ~¼ turn, then retorque using the values and sequence in the manual. After they are torqued, go back over them all several more times (in sequence) because tightening other bolts will slightly compress the gasket and cause the torque on some of the previously tightened bolts to relax a bit. When you get to the point where all bolts stop moving you are done. I suppose you could go back the next day to check again, but I never do. Once it's done I never think about it again. Good luck! Tim
Thanks Tim:
OK, Did not want to bring them back out and not knowing I could bring them back in.
I will loosen them 1/4 turn and do over.
Update: I just got the following message from Amazon:Quote:
Originally Posted by timsrv
Quote:
Due to a lack of availability, we will not be able to obtain the following item from your order. We've canceled the item and apologize for the inconvenience. If you see a charge for the canceled item, we will refund you within 1-2 business days. If you are still interested in purchasing this item, it may be available from other sellers. Please visit the detail page for this item below.
Another Wow!
An FYI
I went out last night and picked up one of those cool digital torque wrench. A bit pricy, but I just cannot afford any more time and I want it right.
So I get home and run out the garage, turn on the lights, open the box and dug in. Certification calibration docs were the first to come out.
Well this thing has on it all kinds of goodies on it including angle. Not sure what I would do with that.
Anyway, I turned it on and set it for 65lb and gave it a whirl.
Well, according to this I was 10 lb too low. And I was concerned I may be pulling too hard! Man, 65lb is nothing to sneeze at. So I think I may be OK just to advance the torque on the rest of these, however the issue is I am limited now with the top portion of the intake already in and get get the wrench in that side. Plus, I am assuming, that all my torque measurements are not right, including the exhaust manifold . Damn, now I will have to remove that portion and do them all over again. If I do, do you think I can re-use the gasket between the top and bottom intake manifolds? I don't have another one.
Since these gaskets are new, assuming you didn't use any additional gasket sealer, if you can remove without separating layers and/or tearing them I would re-use. I wouldn't try that on a head gasket, but I would think you could get away with it on the intake and exhaust gaskets. Tim
PS: If you're removing any gaskets that are symmetrical, make sure to orient them exactly the same as before when reinstalling.
FYI
Started as if she was never taken apart. Idle was real high but very smooth. Some how the linkage for the accelerator pedal got real long and caused the mix control to but up away from the fuel stop. I looked at it and it was fine. I never touched that part this go around anyway. I had to finally back off on the adjustment screw all the way to the end I it just made the stop. There is no way the cable got longer while it was sitting for 6 weeks.
Except for some idle issues it runs great. Thanks to all of your support.
Couple of questions:
Why is there coolant going through the Mixture control unit? I find this odd.
What does the TPS really do? The .28 calibration must be to bring that pin down when idling, I think.
Anyway, if anyone has any input on this. I am considering building a second brain that will cure all the little bugs. I am just one of those guys that likes things perfect.:lol:
Again, thanks to all
MT
Congrats on getting it running! :dance2:
If you're referring to the throttle body as the mixture control unit, coolant is routed through there as to prevent icing and freeze-up issues if/when you're operating the van in a cold climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyToy
The TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) does exactly as the name suggests. It merely monitors the position of the throttle and feeds that info to the ECU. The ECU uses that information to adjust mix and activate the electronic advance. Making that initial adjustment gives it a starting point (so it can accurately tell the ECU where the throttle is at). Tim
Excellent:
OK got that covered. One thing though I wanted to mention. After the engine started I kept an eye on the water with the radiator cap removed and still noticed some bubbles. After putting the head on and before the rockers went back I took a 100 lb compressor and ran that into each cylinder one at a time while viewing the radiator cap. I did that for each cylinder. Not one bubbles.
After seeing the bubbles with the engine running raised my eyebrows. So I pulled out my trusty Head tester. This is the unit that you add that blue solution to and stick it in the radiator cap hole. I started the engine, remove a little water so I would not suck it up and performed the test. Squeezed the ball, forced air through the device then let it go and sucked the gases in the water system. Last time I did this it turned a yellow green immedeatly . This time it just stayed blue. I repeated this several times with never seeing any change in the blue which told me there were no bad crap in the air of the cooling system. Big change from before. So the question is why are there still some air bubbles? Water temperature hangs in at 180 +- maybe 10deg. And it is hotter then hell here in Florida. No water in the oil and engine runs like a top.
Any thoughts as to where the air bubbles may be coming from?
Put about 100 miles on her and she runs great. Go figure.
OH yeah, here is what it looked like just before I connect the air filter elbow
I wouldn't worry about the air bubbles unless you are also having other issues. When the engine runs there are vibrations that will dislodge small bubbles that were trapped in various nooks and crannies inside your water jacket. Tim
Nice job on the engine. I like to keep mine clean like that too. Tim
Do people recommend getting the timing chain replaced when doing the head gasket? van has 205k miles, timing chain may be original. If so, is after market ok for this?
Because these are "old school" engines without overhead cams, the timing gears/chain does not need to be messed with to replace a head gasket. That being said, 200 k + miles is starting to "get up there" and if I had to do a head gasket on one with this many miles I'd most likely pull the entire engine and do much more (including the timing set). 200 k miles isn't extreme though, so if you decide to chance it, I could also understand that approach. It basically boils down to you, your time, your budget, and your future plans/goals for the van.
If you do replace the timing set, you should read the following post before doing so: https://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/...2491#post12491. Good luck. Tim
Thanks Tim for the info. I have one question before ordering the valve grind gasket set. I have a 3y and as mentioned earlier in this thread the part number for that is 04112-73054. When searching for my van on toyotapartsdeal I came across 04112-73010 which says it was replaced by 04112-73054. The weird thing is that the part that replaced it 73054 is discontinued yet the original part 73010 is showing as available. Am I ordering the right part for my 3y with 04112-73010? I searched this forum for part number 04112-73054 and found nothing.
https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/...0=YR27LV-MREA)
Toyota has a habit of changing part numbers. I would trust ToyotaPartsDeal as they are more up to date on these changes. If they say it's for a 3Y, then it should work. The only thing I'd worry about is that you are in the state of California and according to ToyotaPartsDeal this gasket set can cause reproductive harm to CA residents :rol:. Tim
Well, crap. Toyotapartsdeal.com voided my order for the gasket set that showed available on the website. Next best gasket kit? Fel pro?
That sucks. You could also try the 4y kit. I think everything should work except the plenum gasket and maybe the intake/exhaust gaskets. You might also try to order just the head gasket, then use aftermarket on everything else.
If you do try aftermarket (Felpro or whatever) please take pics and document anything that might help the next guy. Also please record miles so you can report back as to how well it holds up. Good luck. Tim
Bought the Fel-Pro gasket set. I took your advice and ordered the OEM head gasket to use. I'll use the fel pro gaskets for everything else and save the Fel-Pro head gasket for later use if necessary. I'm having a mechanic do the work and I'm not sure I can convince him to take pictures but I'll make sure to ask questions and update this post with how everything turned out.
It's open!! Sent the injectors to doc injectors out of sacramento. Owner said his son has a toyota van so I think it's in good hands. Replacing all the gaskets besides the head gasket with Fel pro and the head gasket is toyota. Replacing hoses, coolant and vacuum. TPS getting replaced as well as bi valve. Valves are getting tested for leaks and the head is being refurbed. Will update when job is done to let you guys know if it fixed the overheating issue I was having.
By the way, that's my friendly toyota mechanic, also a toyota van owner and not me. I'm too wimp and don't have the space to pull this job off.
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